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I was really excited when I heard about blank check all Christians, it’s ridiculous. It doesn’t seem like when the most noble things a person can do in the world, but least we can liberate money from the clutches at those who would use it for real purposes him and that’s a start so far in the left-field. It might be a professional blackjack player, let alone have a whole team and the fact that everyone, new women ministry instance or with just awesome, I knew that they were good godly people who cared about Jesus cared about integrity and cared about me. That’S what are the main reasons every time that I going see?
No, I was praying CAF bless me. You know those two things going together. Never gets old thing about by someone in here Campbell product of when we look at a casino, pretty much. Everyone stops and watches us play we’re dealing with betting hands and when im losing hundreds of thousands of dollars, lovers 111 thousand dollars month every once in a while.
You get people that are taking extra pride in their job it finding out that your card, Connor yeah, he’s gon na get back up tonight. I’Ve seen enough. The thread back review. Try to intimidate you human trying to find pic it the nature of our faces. We got the money if you’ve got the money.
Summers are trying to take. I think they’ve been the most creative team, changing appearance and the extra effort to spark theatrics think that’s about exclusive treat filed. So I love the idea. The camouflage in you know kinda you’re, doing something this Ron Tom, like that makes people reassess workers this in a good.
We will have a great because the great you’ve got a question. You are watching anyone who’s, here’s the one. Yes, I believe Jesus should learn. Blackjack, God is calling me, and he knows exactly when and where the current surge on them. How did you and Ben first me I’ll? We can’t really remember, but it was either a bible camp that we grew up going to together or a church youth group.
Something like that and what got you interested in blackjack and Karen Cox yeah um. As the story goes now, a bed and some friends are getting the poker, and then he had a book called on how to make a million dollars a hundred thousand dollars a year gambling. Something like that. Read a chapter in a I wan na chapters on card.
Counting in pot, I could do that and he told me about it and I hated just got a math degree and I, but I can I do that too, and we said well, let’s give it a try and am that I got into it. So you guys started the team. Initially it was just you two yeah.
Initially I we’re playing separately. I and then you know it’s kinda, lonely job and there’s a million questions are hard to get answered when you’re starting out and so we’re talking on the phone constantly on about it, and we decided I actually he was. He was very briefly part of the major blackjack team and he did really enjoy a working with. Then we thought well, let’s just our money together and play and pretty quickly a third friend of ours and they had a lot more money. We had a very smart bankroll, he got involved and the three of us played for a while, I’m and then a fourth got a mother.
We actually met here at a little kinda bumped into I’m, where plan on each other’s tables in into a scuffle turned into s us becoming friends and working it nice couple, but arguing over jumping into each other’s table turned into it became friends in performance. Did that for on maybe couple years an that’s how we started well, how did you learn to form a card counting team and, and then why did you choose only christians well on? We, we figured it out as we went along. You know on we at one point: we got a hold of the Highlanders manual, but that was a really helpful because in a can have to figure things out yourself anyway, and we and Eunos a lot Rohner and constantly talking about how to motivate everybody. How to train players? How to on how to deal with that issues that honesty and quality of play, just all those things on and then, after after a couple years, the for a bus stop playing together and that’s when ben and I start another team in the he actually.
You know it was people friends of ours from church they were asking if we would teach them how to play in it. It wasn’t all Christians. I was in our goal, a it was probably eighty percent the people on the team were Christians and that’s what gave a candidate interesting angle for the documentary, but it never was never was our goal, nor was it ever all Christians, okay, well sent. You did have a lot of Christians on the team, then, and, and did any of them have a moral objection to gambling in a casino? Well, they wan na join the team if they would have had a moral objection to being in casinos. I am, I think, a lot of people at an objection I mean name is a semantics – will appeal an objection to gambling, but they the way we sought ways it was investing.
I am and that there were lot of Christians. They had objection, what we’re doing, but the way we saw it was a it wasn’t immoral. How many people are on the team when you first started her a well to ben and I and then we trained one guy and that turned into him telling another guy? That was a good friend in and it grew from there it we didn’t, have to go. Love having a large team, it just kind of as we’re winning more and as people told people, and i got exciting it.
Just kinda grew in Telugu got to unhealthy point, and then we had to start shrinking well. How many people have any members did have its biggest point, I’m over 30 on less than 40. I it’s hard to know. I I don’t really remember, remember how many were tested out all at one time and playing their people training built test it out.
Yeah K. How did you get the money to bankroll your blackjack team? I friends and family invested in the team. We we use our own money for years for probably four years we just use our own money and, as a team got large larger, we thought we had more than a black checking.
Mech said a business model. It was worth protecting, meaning when I was just a blackjack team, I’m worse case scenario. We lost our money and we’re okay with that am, but when it became something where, if we went on a bad losing streak, people would have to stop working for us. We thought that was worth protecting, so we open it up for the first time to family and friends that had been asking for years. Hey, can I for some money into that and we open it up to people said here’s the terms will offer and, and we let friends and family invest in it, K where you always successful.
I no I mean no, we weren’t always successful. You can see in the documentary huge we went on a 465,000, I losing streak out at one point: I’m we never. We never had a losing year. I am we had a winning year, all maybe eight or nine years, though, that we played by some years.
There was very little winnings other years there with you now well over a million dollars one in here and what was your best winning day me personally or teen hi. I guess the team a. I don’t really know our best winning day, because we on we had players send in their results once a week, because we didn’t get bombarded with result constantly. But I do remember a guy winning a hundred thousand that one casino. In a day on the and at I don’t know, I really remember beyond here a mocha how bout you per person, I what was your best wedding day, and I one about fifty thousand dollars and one day, one time in the middle of nowhere USA and what Was your worst losing day I my first, the first day I was ever in Las Vegas. I lost about forty thousand dollars and got backed off from all MGM properties in a bit in the course about three hours. I lost forty thousand with all our time to play in any MGM properties and thought I was.
That was a pretty rough first day in Vegas and how many times are you ask or told, to leave a casino for Canon carts? I I’ve never kept track the. How many cases have been asked not to play, and Mike guess, is it’s over 50 ill left, then a hundred and 50 its broader yeah? I am where you ever forcefully removed a back room.
Yeah I’ve been back room. What was it like to be back room? Yeah and we went on a trip – this is our for our previous team. On this, when I played a live, a the 4s went to Arizona and we played there for about six days and at the end of the six days we had 240,000 and chips. 21.
Casino because we’ve been just winning like crazy, we pride bodin 60,000 there and one eighty thousand, so we had all these chips and one with that one guy to catch them all out, even though all for Vista been playing is a bad idea. So we sent him with all the chips and after about I half an hour, we hadn’t heard from him, so we sent another guy and their to go, find out what was going on and after another half hour, the last to have ice decide to go in There to find out what was going on and it ended up in all for this being in the downstairs room at the casino with a handful, have security guards and men in suits, and they they asses how we had cheated them for that much money and we Spent about an hour explaining there wasn’t cheating is card counting and how card king worked in the past, how we knew how how to play – and we said, there’s a million bucks – I they ask how we know. How much did that and we i do explain to them our bet, spread and how it works. That was the only way they’re willing to cassius out. So then they took us. Cashed out are hundred and forty thousand dollars, and that said we weren’t allowed in there again, but I i’ve been that I’ve been hank up to a casino at had to explain to the police that I was only card counting, even okay, because he knows that I Was doing something illegal explained it and by the end of that altercation, with that police officer he was asking for their our website address, so we can teach him how to count cards.
Can you explain what the Griffin book is and do you know if you’re in it that Griffin book is it’s now an online database, a card counters and cheaters and undesirables I’m? And yes, I and i’ve seen I’m a great fan page. I have my. I OS an organ surveillance network page at can this from from friends that have got them from friend that got them from somewhat someone I, the Griffin agency. I isn’t a very big deal anymore now.
I guess organ surveillance network and sian Sen that biometrika San network, those are larger yeah. I i’ve been in those senses very early on. I made a mistake, a casino told me: I had to give them my ID. I was scared, 22 years old and said okay and then found out there lying to me photocopied.
It said it in the graph and I’ve been in Griffin ever send am, but that haven’t really slow down my career. Never that never did, and how did you initially trainer came in members? Well, we we first, I first decided train a few friends and I they were very bright just so they could spot for me on and through that we got better at training people. I’M we learned what not to do and over time we got really get it just systematically training people from the ground up, because our network at people most of them had never been in a casino or if they’ve been a casino, they definitely had played much blackjack.
30, taking people and say: okay, this is blackjack. This is how the rules work. This is a play, basic Shaji. This is how you count cards. This is how you do it that spread he’s a deviation.
You know just we learn kinda process of taking people from the ground up, I’m just through through a lot of time in a actually loaded just how good businesses are run. They have a very well oiled machine training people I laughter trained on. When did you know they were ready to play for real money? Yeah we had on both at home and at Casino test out process.
We would be other people at home and they had to play through a certain number shoes perfectly without any mistakes and when they had done that, then they were allowed to do in in casino test, and that was a very similar process would sit there. We watched them play and if they made a single mistake or even if they made us, feel not comfortable handing I’m t-money, then they would go practice some more and and tell they could really. You know impressed us that, besides winning what was the best part about running a car County, the best part about running at the blackjack team really for us it was a. It was a lot of very fine cool people II, so he’s joking. We pride on at the most successful blackjack team, but we got ta have the most fun because the people involved – I am you, know it’s kinda like when there’s time of your life sort things out, I don’t think I could.
I think I could do it again. I don’t know if I would, because it was just really a fun experience back then and on. I was a great network. If people and every day user everybody enjoyed being a part of it for those fiber so years. Well, what was the worst part about running the team? The worst part about running the team was having a fire friends, but you know that a that’s right now is rough, but I learned a lot about his business and immaturity in friendship and and the fact that we’re still friends % uh you now other people.
Now we had a fire, I saw consider them friends, they consider me a friend that was rather on other than that losing streak to just brutal. You don’t know if you’re making a mistake, ur or I don’t know if they’re making, because I can’t watch every and played by the players and likely showing the documentary you can tell people are pocketing money or not. I so when you’re winning. You never think about those things when you’re losing you’re wondering is this chest that lack or his something more okay?
Let’S take it one step further. Didn’T do you think there ever was cheating on the team I yeah iron. I think that I think that there’s a decent chance at some point – people I violated – are player agreement. It’S really hard to know whether it’s it’s more that kinda white-collar crime like being sloppy with I’m when they clocked out so to speak or whether it was deeper. Like someone dropped five or ten thousand dollars and thought, I can’t afford to pay that back to the team and just kinda rolled into the results, and just knowing that link the time we ran the team and just knowing human nature.
I I’d say it probably odds. Are probably happened, we always say that with well as in other a risk, but it seemed like we had two options: either not run a black TechTeam or try their lower that risk as much as humanly possible and hope for the best again. And why did you break up the team and basically after when ben and I started that the team, the show the documentary that the larger scale team we thought hey, this seems worth doing for a year to on and pretty quickly with that wow. I wonder if we can run this thing for five years and try to have you now an exit strategy before before then and and was really fun for three or four five years on after a while, it started to feel more like a grind and start to Realize that’s not it that’s going to be a really difficult career and other.
I know the Highlanders. You know, then they get a free for many years and all other ally the other there, our people, that it’s a career, but it was never a career goal for us on that, combined with an a lot of allow the people on the team, I’m we ended Up having a buncha, kids, something – and I don’t know if I feel like find around the country every weekend cell on yeah and that we never won as much money the the last few years as kinda. Will we just?
I think we just you know how to little bit the hot streak at the beginning and and after after enough years is we’re still making money, but it wasn’t a on. I said we had other goals in life and by well, unless we’re gon na run a large-scale team on, maybe we’ll try. You know move another we’re moving in that we start by checking pressure in the height of their black tech team, because we’re just interested in trying other things and working on other businesses. Okay, if there’s a 1 % misconception, the public has about blackjack. What would you say it is her one misconception, people about blackjack, either the car gangs, illegal or probably the bigger one is, is people think that they that they have a system to beat the game outsider card-carrying?
Am you now I’ve met a million people say: oh, I’ve got ta. I’Ve got a way to be black jacket and a there there’s. It’S got to be a very Keckley Matt Mackall at tonight. Following your gather, you know anything like that, but I think a lotta am allowed.
Gambling is bill, built on the idea that oh there’s a way to there’s an angle that I can. I can figure out on the town and looking back on it. What would you have done differently? I looking back over by clicking there’s prior lot.
I think that would have than differently on. I think ever we were 23 24 year olds running a million million, a half dollar business. So we didn’t know what we’re doing, but I think the biggest thing was on having higher standards for player players and realizing also why it kinda person is actually an excel at the job. You can teach a lot people by a why people get burned out.
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